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you know, this is this general misconception that baby boomers are novices to tech, it is funny when you thing about guys like steve was knee yak, and bill gate that are founders of techs, and they are boomers. >> the baby boomers will tweet, snap chat, they will even poke on facebook, i have faith in them. and ninja mike says my dad is pretty tech savvy, i usually go for him on insight, however, i totally disagree, my dad has an i-phone and asked me to search things for him, similar things to, but i have faith. >> the baby boomer generation, that was born world war ii, but before the mid 60's, may need to be called the digital generation. baby boomers are more connected online than ever. in 2000, less than half of 50 to 64-year-olds knocked to the internet,
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fast forward to 2011 that number jumped to 74%. in fact, baby boomers are right on the heels of millen i wills when it comes to tech and the internet. and their use of social media is skyrocketing. >> a huge part of that has to be the attributed of grandparents that are on the platform, and commenting on photos that teens and young people are posting, and engaging in the way that advertisers want to see. >> boomers are spending more than any other demographic, but how their use shaping the future? joining us is mary furlong, she is a marketing expert that advices companies on business strategies geared towards buy by boomers. and you served on president obama's administration, panel online safety and
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technology working group, you have been around this stuff for a very long time. i mentioned that boomers spend more on tech than any other group, yet, this is this prevailing assumption that only the young want to invest, is this misguided? is. >> totally misguided. you pointed out, it was the baby boomers that created the personal technology revolution. inform you look at the internet, it is the prebaby boomers. who i believe is now in his 70's may have been born at the very early or maybe before the baby boomers but these are the guys that created the internet, and i go around people and he knows about tech than i will ever know, and probably ten times more than the average millenniums. not that they are not tech savvy, but when it comes to understanding how it works you may want to go to the generation that helped create the cell phone, the smart phone, and certainly the
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personal computer for a deep understanding of how to build these technologies. you can sigh that millenians are on the heels. in terms of using tech. the most important thing so to connect with friends and family, and so they are on -- it is the fastest growing group on facebook. the time spend online is huge. they are doing businesses in record number. it is a lot of time spent on line. >> we asked our communitier, the baby boomer often feels their tech savviness. baby boomers may not have the edge with computers but cassette, anyone use cassette any more? c.d., cried owe, record players is another story.
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of course you will see cassettes playing around. i may have one from the eight's that still works, but i also have four flat screen t.v.s as well. the point is with any generation you will find a range of people that are tech savvy, if you look at millenniums. i am sure it is hard to find a millennium that knows how to use it, it doesn't mean they know how to program it, or know what to do if their computer crashed. so you have to look beyond the surface, when it comes to baby boomers i see people using all sorts of technology, and adapting to new technology. if you point it out when it comes to social media, tremendous amount of social media use not just to keep one friends and family, but to have
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political discussions, technology discussions. to run your wases the other thing we are seeing is people are staying in the work force honker. the motion that people are retiring at 55, many people at that age are more than happy to keep working and even start new ventures. >> larry, boomers are obviously big consumers of tech, but are they shaping the industry? probably not as much. if unique at the big companies, you are going to find a younger work force. maybe companies like microsoft and apple boomers have big impact. i have to admit i spend a lot of time at facebook and google. i hang out at these companies and most of my friends that work there are younger than i am. but they are respectful and they listen to the younger folks. it is probably the way it
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should be. >> we have angel on facebook that says i am a baby boomer, eye use it for games, thank you. how are baby boomers using this meet one another. how do they mac on one another. >> well, my drive they are morning was using his cell phone to talk to his new girlfriend. and and - rest rated becaue it wasn't working some are conditioned about safety, so there's a little condition about dating online in terms of who you might meet. but they also are concerned about privacy, and security. those are big issues for people. one thing that excites me is how boomers are starting businesses. they are going online to haunch their business, and i am a professor, and now i take great pride in my linked in, and twitter following.
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i think hard about what i publish that matters to those that follow me. the number of followers i had to negotiate my car deal this weekend. >> and you got a better price. >> i got a better price, yes. >> so larry, how do you think advertisers are adjusting? or are they to this two preponderate $3 trillion powerful market of baby boomers. >> well, the good is bad thing is they can track you and know about you. so smart advertisers are doing all they can to understand who they are, and to target to you. when i got on facebook,ly see different products advertised. so to that extent they are, when i turn on television, i am still mostly seeing ads for all sorts of medications that thank god i have no use for. i'd like to see the commute realize that baby boomers have an enormous amount of disposal income, and they spend it
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on things not just intelligent decisions but maybe crazy things they may want to buy, and they would be smart to tapping into that. >> well, i didn't buy it but the craziest thing i am reaching over here to a stack of smart phones and things i think the nuttiest thing i have been maying with is a couple of these smart watches. this happens to be the l.j., and they are crazy because they are far from ready for prime time. save your money and wait until somebody gets it right. two boomer who will compete with anybody on tech, when we come back, just how hollywood is america's younger generation? find out how millen i wills are redefining patism patriotism. can you love your country without loving whats happening. a curious new study that
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>> if you want free press in the new democracy, let the journalists live. pate ism is questioning your governor's policies when they question. >> a recent studky found that millen i wills see themselves at less patriotic than any other generation. alongside this, america is constantly changing cultural makeup that could impact motions of patriotism. what will national pride look like. a stupid attarman college. editor and chief of the naacp crisis magazine. she is editor and chief. ehigh, this' a reflection that
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among millen i wills do you think that equates to low patriotism among your generation? >> i think there is definitely a connection. one thing i have seen among members of my generation has been a decreasing sense that they can feel pride in their country. and they can feel patriotism, and i think that's due to a large part on the sense of millen i wills particularly liberal millen yells that patriotism has become a partisan issue. that it is somehow connected to conserve issues. and because they don't agree with those they feel like they can't be patriotic. >> if we look to eli's age group, we would probably see something very similar, felt a real disconnect, do you think this idea of redefining patriotism is real?
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or do you think it is the perception of a generation that can be cyclicle. >> i think it is the right of the generation, i think the generation has the opportunity to define patriotism toward itself. i think we have to be careful when we presume to speak for entire generations. they take the opportunity to define patriotism for themselves and i think that patriotism coming out of the 1960's was rooted in a desire to improve the country. and i don't presume to speak for millennials, but i do think the desire to improve the country is still very much present in the activism that we see. >>
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patriotism is a self-destruct button and will lead us to the end. round take question, in one line define patriotism, michelle start with you. >> well, i think patriotism is really taking pride in where you are literal hi from. it is from your block, your neighborhood, and who you are. >> all right, jabari? >> it is a desire to live in the united states. that's what american patriotism is. that you don't want to live somewhere else. >> eli? it's a sense that you can see and feel the values that your country stands for and take pride in those values. >> michelle, your family has a history in the military, the latino population in general has a long history in the u.s. military, how does that surf shape the idea of the definition of patriotism within the latino community? for starters this was a study that was done of
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latinos and patriotism, and 76% of latinos believe america is the number one country in the world, so there is a strong feeling of patriotism, as far as military is concerned, in my family multiple generations have served in the military, and that's true for a lot of -- i think we have 17% of all people in the -- for me it isn't about rubber stamping the u.s.' policies. i don't really support most of the u.s. military efforts, but it is about really engaging in the opportunity that the u.s. offs. as an ethnic minority, you do more bagger cues talk more football, and have the biggest u.s. flag to show you are a #patriotism. >> jorge says my ethnicity makes me who i am, the flag and the country is what i represent, and in the united states, i follow the melting pot, or tossed salad philosophy.
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i can speak to myself, often times in order to improve our patism, we have to go ten beyond to prove to this jury that we are american illic enough. where is the tension here, in this country will it be like that in 20 years in where for an ethnic minority, what is the litmus test, do you think it is from the main stream. ethnic minorities have been in a position where they have to prove that they are worthy of the rights and privileges. that's where we see the enthusiastic enrollment in the military, for example. and i think that as the population shifts in the country, that pressure is going to change too.
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and it is easier to assume. >> giving these demographics and the perspective, how do you see patriotism looking ten, 20, 30 years down the road? well, i think it depends millennials taking the opportunity to define patriotism nor themselves. what i am seeing is that millennials have left patriotism behind. they have interpreted this argument that if you didn't support certain policies, or you were in conflict with acts that the administration is taking then you are somehow unpatriotic. and i think that's a very sad thing about our generation, and i would hope that our generation can can look back at patriotism and see that even if they disagree with it -- certain policies or because they disagree with certain
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policies that makes them patriotic. >> what's the difference here between informed activism and dissent, verses loyalty to the government. patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. you can stand against policies and be patriotic, but you can't be patriotic and antigovernment at the same time. interesting. in my part of the world antigovernment is a little synonymous to patriotism. where is the line here, where you can can have informed dissent, in fact, be critical of your government, but at the same time say it is my patriotism that compels me to do this. >> i agree with that statement 100%. i think in the u.s. for some weird reason, being really interested in politics is always connected to our national identity.
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i feel like really being patriotic is being active, and people were saying fighting back against certain policies. it means the community matters to you, it is that active engangment that makes you patriotic because you care and will do something about it. >> you know, eli, i got a tweet from rick customer mines and he said i think the world war ii generations are patriotic. it was described by a scrapping new country. we were both saying earlier, we notice add lot of tweets that said this is beyond traditional borders this is planetary. are thinking more in those terms. do you think that's accurate? >> absolutely. and because there's been the ability to take globalization on, and see yourself as a global citizen, it makes it easier to put aside your own country, or your own
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country's values. and easier to dismiss that this values worth -- >> jabari we have less than one minute left, why don't you wrap us up, tell us where you think this will land? what will we see in terms of a patriotic nation ten years down the road? >> i think there will always be room for destructive dissent. i think that's part of the dilemma. i love this country more than any other place on earth, because of that, i insist on the right to criticize it perpetually, i think criticism will always be a constructive and ensay rabble part of the tradition, no matter where you fall on the ideological spectrum. >> all right, thank you to all of our guests. still ahead, which states are the strictest enforcers of social norms and the quickest to punish those that rock the boat? and how does that impact our nation's unity, the answers up next may
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america mobile app, available for your apple and android mobile device. download it now welcome back. a new studky ranks the 50 states on how tight or lose they are. >> patriotism, criminal sentencing and corps rate punishment. >> , plains why you are crunchy. >> it does indeed. the three other states joining them are washington, no surprise there, nevada and maine, and the top five are mississippi, alabama,
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arkansas, oklahoma, and tennessee. she is a professor of psychologist at the university of maryland college park, thank you for being here. >> how did you decide which indicators to use for this study. >> we were talking about climate, and natural disasters and so many things you wouldn't think would play into this. >> we were interested in what can help explain the wide variation we see in the united states. and we have states like mississippi, and ohio, that somewhere very low substance abuse, but neff a lot of discrimination.
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as compared to states like maine, and california. >> we have other states. other states that are open -- how do we put these all together, and tightness loseness seems to be an explanation of all of our differences . >> it is one of the losest states we can see, in our data one of the biggest predicators is how threatening one's environment is, tight states have much more challenging ecology than tornado, they have poor environmental health, and they need stronger rules. in other words to coordinate for purposes of survival. new hampshire tends ton
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an environment that does haven't a lot of ecological threat. >> if you look at the list of tight and lose states they do seem to core late to red and blue. how are they different. >> they do, and you question so the corelation with republican votes, and likewise in lose states. democratic votes but there are definitely a lot of states that don't fall into that category, idaho and montana are quite lose, but they tend to vote republican. pennsylvania tends to be quite tight. and a swing state, there are really -- i think capture as much broader and up doer array, and we would help that we can move beyond this dichotomy of red verses blue, which is very narrow. >> so a couple of years ago, you did a very similar study. did you find any similarities between the study that you did in the u.s. and is what you did a couple of years ago? >> it is remarkable when you look at tightness and loseness in the international level, and the state level, and how many similarities there are. countries like singapore,
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and japan, and korea, have a lot of ecological and historical threat. and they have very strong rules. so this' quite a bit of commonality. in this recent research. >> all right, we have edwards to some extent you can break down this even further, this lose areas in tight states and vice versa, you were talking about that, i am not an absolutelyist, let me be the middle ground, is it possible for me to be both tight and lose, and is that better the fact that we have 50 states here in this one country? is that where we should go to a nice littl lit morphing. >> so tight states seem to have more self-crocket,less substance abuse, but hughes states tend to have more openness, less discrimination, so in large part the extremes of both are not good, and some combination is really more optimal. >> about 30 sects left,
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what is the benefit of seeing things in these gradations in. >> i think we can see that one we see a wide range of phenomena that we may not see related to each other. sew it is ask organize guising principle, we can be less et no sen trick. for example, for tightness, maybe we can be lessth no sen trick about our world views and how we organize ourselves. >> and country. >> all right, thank you so much for being here today, and thank you to all of our guests. eli richmond, and jabari, until next time, ranch and i will see you online at stream.
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